Friday, April 26, 2013

LiFePO4 DIY ESS - Cutting Usage Peaks in Half

Last wednesday, for testing purposes and after charging the day before, I switched my ESS ON before leaving to work and this is what it did ... It shaved high consumption peaks in half (more than half actually if you look at the Energy Graph below this one) 


Power Graph


Energy Graph



Thursday, April 25, 2013

PV storage market to reap $19 billion by 2017


From US$200 million in 2012, the photovoltaic storage market is projected to be worth $19 billion in 2017, mainly driven by the German energy storage subsidy, reports IMS Research. While Germany is set to lead the residential sector, Asia and the Americas will dominate the utility-scale market.



From just $200 million in 2012, the U.K.-based research firm expects the photovoltaic storage market to be worth $19 billion in 2017. Meanwhile, it forecasts that global photovoltaic storage installations will, on average, boast over 100% annual growth for the next five years, to reach a cumulative capacity of nearly 7 GW.

Overall, Germany is expected to lead the residential and commercial sector; however, with an anticipated 2 GW by 2017, Asia and the Americas will dominate the utility-scale sector.

While Germany is forecast to install almost 2 GWh of effective storage capacity in its residential sector during the next 5 years, markets like the U.K., Italy, North America, Australia and other smaller European markets are set to account for the remaining around 3 GW of expected capacity by 2017, PV analyst Sam Wilkinson tells pv magazine.

IMS Research primarily attributes the anticipated rapid growth to Germany’s new incentive program, scheduled to come into effect on May 1. "Because domestic electricity rates now significantly exceed residential feed-in tariff rates, there is strong interest in increasing self-consumption in residential PV systems to maximize the financial return of the system," comments Wilkinson in a statement.

Wilkinson adds that 8 MW of photovoltaic systems with storage were installed in Germany last year. "The introduction of the widely anticipated subsidy will quickly accelerate uptake by making the lifetime cost of PV systems with storage cheaper compared to those without it."

According to IMS Research figures, the subsidy for a typical German household with a photovoltaic system including storage will bring electricity costs down to under $25,000 over a 20 year period, compared to just under $30,000 without it.




Specifically, the company calculates that the typical electricity costs for a German household with no photovoltaic system will be around $50,000 over a 20 year period; compared to just over $25,000 for a household kitted out with a 5kW photovoltaic system (inc. FITs at the current rate); just under $30,000 for a household with a 5kW photovoltaic system (inc. FITs at the current rate) with storage, but without a storage subsidy; and just under $25,000 for a household with a 5kW photovoltaic system (inc. FITs at the current rate), with storage and a storage subsidy.

As aforementioned, Germany is expected to be the dominant market player in the residential and commercial sector, and is likely to account for nearly 70% of all storage installed in residential photovoltaic systems in 2013. However, its leadership is set to be challenged by other regions as they develop opportunities.

"We do expect that other countries will follow Germany’s example and adopt similar subsidy schemes to promote the use of PV energy storage – particularly where there is a case for promoting self-consumption and grid stability," Wilkinson says.

"Even without subsidies though, storage can be an attractive proposition in conjunction with residential PV systems in some markets, such as the U.K., where the market is forecast to begin growing quickly in 2014, when the price of batteries is predicted to have fallen sufficiently to make PV storage financially viable."

Regarding utility-scale photovoltaic storage solutions, IMS Research forecasts that the market will add over 2 GW annually by 2017. Asia and the Americas are expected to lead the way.

"Storage is also predicted to be used in larger systems, in order to improve the integration of PV into the grid, increase the financial return of PV systems and meet the increasingly demanding connection requirements that some countries are imposing on intermittent electricity sources like PV," writes the company in the statement.

According to the "Grid Scale Battery Storage Market 2013-2023" study recently released by Global Information Inc. and Visiongain, demand for grid energy storage will reach $113.5 billion in 2017, up from $2.8 billion. "Representing close to a 5,694 percent increase in capacity, grid storage will reach 185.4 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of capacity compared to 3.2 GWh in 2012," says the report in a statement released.

Meanwhile, it says the global grid scale battery storage market is forecast to reach $1.17 billion in 2013.



Source: PV Magazine

EVTV Friday Show - April 19,2013

- Bottom Balance at Zero Volts? : A bit of a problem with the 1957 Porsche Speedster Electric replica
- VW Transporter Electric Drive conversion by EV4U Custom Conversions
- New: CHAdeMO charge port arrived at EVtv Werks




News



The ancestor (1947) of the LEAF (?) in Japan


Some more news


Jack has received a CHAdeMO port and its wiring harness



VW Transporter EV conversion to start soon by EV4U Custom Conversions



In-wheel motors ... can not work


HPEVS AC-50 / AC-75 (New)



Oops, the Porsche Speedster's battery pack went all the way down to ... 0.1V per cell ! 


Thanks to a good Bottom Balancing done by Matt few years ago, not much damages to the battery pack !
Maybe one cell, the smallest in capacity, has lost some more, but that's about it ...
Another episode proving that the Bottom Balancing is THE way to go with your LiFePO4 pack 




Analysis: ABB's Power-One acquisition


Monday's announcement that ABB was to acquire inverter manufacturer Power-One certainly turned heads. But where will it leave the two companies and how will it impact the photovoltaic market? IHS Solar Research Manager Sam Wilkinson assesses the implications.



Were you surprised by the news on Monday of ABB’s acquisition of Power-One?

It wasn’t completely unexpected, but I probably wouldn’t have named Power-One or ABB, or linked those two companies. Certainly we’ve been saying for a long time that we expected one of those industrial manufacturers to aggressively enter this market. Certainly acquisition is a pretty sensible way to do so. Power-One makes a lot of sense for ABB, it compliments them pretty well. So it wasn’t a surprise, but I hadn’t actually named those two companies as the next pair.


Why do you say that Power-One suits ABB so well?

ABB has a lot of expertise in large industrial inverters and that’s where they’ve begun to make some progress in the market. Power-One, although it does have some large inverters, has a pretty complete portfolio of three-phase and single-phase inverters. Really the combination of Power-One’s expertise, on those products, with ABB’s expertise, in the larger products, combined with ABB’s international footprint, in terms of sales, servicing and manufacturing operations, and its financial strength and reputation really creates a pretty strong offering.

The appearance of Power-One in the photovoltaic market and its growth and progress up the inverter rankings has been impressive. What do you attribute its success to?

It’s important to note that Power-One entered the photovoltaic market with an acquisition itself. They bought an Italian inverter called Magnetek, about five years ago. From there they had a very strong hold on the Italian market, which quickly grew to become the second largest photovoltaic market in the world at that time. And Power-One’s market share in Italy was pretty significant, they were the number one supplier there by quite a long way.

At the same time, Power-One was pretty successful in setting up manufacturing outside of Europe and penetrating the markets as well. They were pretty strong in Germany and other European markets, as well as Asia and North America.

Looking at the financial strength of Power-One, with cash reserves in excess of US$200 million, do you think the price ABB paid for Power-One is about right?

Certainly Power-One’s financial situation was fairly strong, ABB is a very strong industrial company. It seems to make sense without going very deep into the numbers. My first impression was that given the share price ($6.35/share) ABB paid, it does seem high, but I’m sure ABB has thought long and hard about the acquisition and it’s certainly not a decision that’s been taken overnight.

ABB CEO Joe Hogan, in announcing the news, spoke about the risks posed by the acquisition. There are risks in any deal, but what in particular do you think he was talking about?

I would say it’s the photovoltaic market in general. There are risks involved in any move in the photovoltaic market. We’ve seen rapid changes in the market environment occur almost overnight, caused by something as simple as one political opinion. Things like that can really rock the whole photovoltaic industry. When you observe the collapse of the Czech and Italian markets in 2010, that set a decline of photovoltaic module prices going that lasted two years and we’ve seen prices decline almost by 60%.

Those challenges haven’t gone away for the photovoltaic industry yet. We have seen the industry become more diverse and it is becoming more stable and more and more countries account for a more significant proportion of the market. However, the photovoltaic market remains a very volatile environment. While we have seen some consolidation, it remains a highly competitive environment. So ABB’s move is by no means a guaranteed winning move.

How much strength do you think the ABB brand will now bring Power-One’s offerings?

I do think that without a doubt the combination of the two companies is stronger than the two companies were before. ABB’s brand recognition and strength is key to that. Power-One has a fantastic set of products, ABB has a great set of products for one particular market segment. There’s no massive change in market share: ABB’s was only 1%, so there won’t be a major change in rankings. But it’s a very compelling offering when you combine the expertise of both companies and the product portfolio they now have.

To use a word that is thrown around all over the place in the photovoltaic industry, the bankability of ABB on paper is incredibly strong – possibly the strongest in the photovoltaic industry. (ABB ended 2012 with $8.5 billion in cash, equivalents, marketable securities and short-term investments; it has $10 billion in short and long term debt. The company generated full-year revenues of $39.9 billion, which earned a $2.8 billion net profit last year.)

What are the next steps for the companies now and where do you see them being placed in the future?

It’s going to take ABB and Power-One some time to figure out their strategy, their combined portfolio and how the company moves, going forward. They will obviously want to sort that out as soon as possible, to ensure there isn’t uncertainty with their customers and to ensure they don’t lose any momentum because of this.

Ultimately I see them taking their new product portfolio and leveraging ABB’s strength in new and emerging markets, such as South America, India and Japan – where ABB already has sales, marketing, servicing, manufacturing – for all its other product lines. So I see the new firms aggressively entering these markets. The global footprint of ABB is a huge strength to the two companies, ABB will be massively well placed to serve those emerging markets.



Source: PV Magazine



Wednesday, April 24, 2013

ABB Buys Power-One for $1 Billion to Add Solar Inverters


ABB Ltd. (ABBN) agreed to acquire Power- One Inc. (PWER) for about $1 billion, giving the world’s biggest electricity-networks builder inverters that allow solar power to be fed into grids.

Shareholders of the Camarillo, California-based company will get $6.35 a share, Switzerland’s ABB said in a statement today. Power-One shares surged as much as 59 percent to the equivalent of $6.34 in German trading today.




ABB is looking to tap a market forecast to grow by more than ten percent annually, driven by a need for affordable energy and declining costs of producing solar power. The 7.7 times Ebitda that ABB is paying for Power-One is lower than the median multiple of 8.5 paid for alternate energy companies in the last three years, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

ABB Chief Executive Officer Joe Hogan said there is some risk in buying Power-One amid a “tumultous market” for renewable energies like solar and wind power. He predicts the bet to pay off as the cost of producing solar energy is moving towards the price of purchasing power from the grid.

“If you wait in this industry until it’s very clear what it’s going to look like, you are not going to be paying the multiples that we are paying here today,” Hogan said on a conference call.
‘Smart Move’

Power-One generated earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization of $120 million last year from sales of its inverters used in commercial and residential photovoltaic or PV systems, ABB said in a statement. The company will be integrated into ABB’s Discrete Automation and Motion unit which produces robots, motors and drives.

“We consider the acquisition of Power-One as a smart strategic move for ABB to broaden its solar product portfolio at the right time,” said Takis Spiliopoulos, an analyst at Bank Vontobel AG in Zurich. The purchase premium is acceptable given Power-One’s net cash position of $266 million, he said.

The boards of both ABB and Power-One approved the transaction.

In U.S. trading, Power-One had dropped 1.7 percent this year before today. ABB rose 1.2 percent to 20.16 francs as of 11:04 a.m. in Zurich, valuing the company at 46.7 billion francs ($50 billion).

Power-One’s inverters this year began operation at a solar power plant installed in the Atacama desert for the Chilean fruit exporter Subsole, which was seeking to escape high energy prices supplied from the nation’s conventional grid.



More Deals

Power-One is the latest bite-sized acquisition by Hogan as he looks to bring new technology to the Swiss company’s portfolio. Solar inverters convert the direct current generated by solar panels into the alternative current needed to run appliances on power grids.

Hogan did not rule out more deals which would build on ABB’s position in solar.

“I can’t say if it’s the last one we will do. You won’t see us ever do a solar panel deal,” he said on the conference call, adding that ABB wouldn’t consider buying into machinery used to maker solar panels as it’s not an area of expertise.

The purchase also contrasts with a retreat from the solar- equipment market by competitor Siemens AG. The Munich-based company is selling its solar-energy unit, expanded by the takeovers of Archimede Solar Energy and Solel Solar Systems, after deteriorating prices for photovoltaic equipment.

ABB is structuring the transaction as a merger and the Zurich-based company has the backing of investment funds affiliated with Silver Lake Sumeru, it said. Credit Suisse Group AG advised ABB, with Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP providing legal help. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. advised Power- One, along with legal firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP.



Source: Bloomberg

Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Germany to Support Solar Energy Storage with New 25 Million EUR Subsidy

Just saw this article this morning in the last days tweets & thought:  This good news comes at a good time because my DIY ESS Kit is almost ready ! ;-)




April 18th, 2013

NEW YORK CITY -- Germany will subsidize consumers' purchases of battery systems to store power from solar panels through a 25 million-euro ($32.6 million) program to promote wider use of renewable energy, according to the German Solar Industry Association.
The government will pay 660 euros a kilowatt of storage capacity under a program that begins May 1, the trade group said today in a statement. The systems will also stabilize the flow of electricity into the grid.

Correction: "The government will pay 660 euros a kilowatt of storage capacity"  : Energy is measured in kWh : they meant here 660 EUR of incentive per kWh, which is prettty good !




Storage is a policy-driven market, Brian Warshay, an analyst for Bloomberg New Energy Finance in New York, said today in an interview.

“I’d expect for the incentive, which is set at a pretty healthy rate for most systems, to be used up quickly,” he said.

Editor's Note: For more information about this subsidy and the energy storage market, see our recent in-depth articles here:


Solar Storage Market Set for Rapid Growth

March 28th, 2013

LONDON -- News that Germany plans to launch a €50 million solar storage incentive is the latest indicator that solar storage's time has come.

Under the program, German owners of solar systems with storage will be entitled to a low-interest loan from KfW, the state-owned bank, and a repayment allowance from the Ministry of Environment, which will cover 30 percent of the battery system's cost. The program will apply to newly-installed PV facilities with storage and solar plants with storage systems installed after December 31, 2012. Systems under 30 kW will be eligible for the subsidy.

Although lack of emissions trading revenue for the Energy and Climate Fund is said to be currently delaying the program, it is predicted that it will soon move forward, possibly by the originally specified date of 1 May.

This incentive will make almost any emerging energy storage technology capable of tying into a PV array cost-effective, according to Brian Warshay of Lux Research. Subsidizing a storage system's energy capacity rather than its power capacity, as does California's Self Generation Incentive Program (SGIP), is a more logical approach, says Warshay, because the solar shifting application requires more energy than power. Germany's incentive will benefit technologies capable of longer discharge duration such as molten salt and flow batteries rather than most lithium-ion batteries, Warshay said.

Research firm NanoMarkets believes the growth of the solar storage market is driven by declining costs for PV modules and reductions in government support for solar power. Without attractive subsidies, self-consumption can be more valuable than selling power and storage becomes desirable. NanoMarkets predicts that demand for storage in the residential and commercial sectors will soon show rapid growth.

A Growing Need

According to IMS Research's recent survey of over 400 purchasers of PV inverters including distributors, installers, integrators, EPCs and wholesalers, the need for energy storage in solar systems is growing fast. Although energy storage is still a young market, nearly one third of respondents said they expect to be using storage in over 40 percent of the PV systems they install by 2015.

Survey respondents from Germany, Italy and the UK identified energy storage as more critical than any other requirement for future PV inverters. When IMS asked what the main driver for the adoption of energy storage would be, the most common response was a reduction in battery prices helping to drive system prices down and make storage financially viable.

IMS found that over 60 percent of respondents believed that an acceptable increase in system price for the inclusion of energy storage would be between 10 percent and 29 percent; however, almost 30 percent of respondents indicated they would be willing to pay even more.

Grid Benefit

According to the 2013 Storage Study from the Fraunhofer Institute, carried out for German solar trade body BSW-Solar, battery storage systems used in conjunction with a PV system can increase the absorption capacity of existing power grids by up to 66 percent.

“The positive effects that decentralized photovoltaic battery systems have on the power grid cannot be overstated,” said Dr Christof Wittwer, head of the Intelligent Energy Systems department at the Fraunhofer Institute for Solar Energy Systems.

“The success of the Energiewende depends on the use of solar batteries as grid-assistive short-term storage capability,” said Jörg Mayer, managing director of the German Solar Industry Association. “What we need now is the initial spark for the development of decentralized battery storage systems, so that we can quickly achieve progress in terms of technology, and above all in terms of costs. With an increasing production of batteries, solar storage systems will quickly come down in price, thus enabling savings in grid expansion.”

Move Fast

Nanomarkets' report entitled Storage 2013 predicts that the global market for solar storage systems will be worth US$2 billion by 2018. Dr. Eicke Weber, head of the newly-established German Energy Storage Association, has called this a “conservative estimate”. Italian energy consultancy BIP said the battery market will reach at least 9 GW of capacity by 2020 from today's 270 MW.

And the commercial sector's uptake is growing in line with the residential sector's. Nicola Cosciani, head of energy storage at Italian industrial battery maker Fiamm, says heavy power users such as cement and steel makers are looking at solar storage. “Germany and Italy will be explosive markets for residential storage and big energy users are also starting to show an interest. This is a game changer,” he said in a Reuters interview.

When implemented, Germany's incentive will result in a short but rapid boom in distributed storage, Warshay predicts. “Developers with any hopes of addressing this market opportunity will need to move quickly into Germany to establish partnerships that will help decipher the bureaucratic requirements necessary to benefit from this new policy,” he said.

Technology growth

Considerable technological innovation is expected in energy storage, yet traditional lead-acid batteries will be the main revenue generator over the next decade, accounting for more than $950 million in revenues in 2018, research firm Global Information (GI)'s Solar Storage 2013report has found. Lead-carbon technology will improve the margins on this type of battery, generating another $135 million by 2018, the report said.

There is also growing interest in the use of lithium batteries in the solar sector; GI expects these batteries to generate $235 million by 2018. Chinese solar energy storage firms seem likely to focus on lithium batteries since China is a major source of lithium. "




Energy Storage Series: Why We Need It, And Why We Don't 

April 4th, 2013

New Hampshire, USA -- It's almost a cliché that there's a "friendly debate" pitting utilities against renewable energy. But concerns on the utility side of the table are real: intermittency, potential destabilization at the feeder level, non-baseload, and peaks in generation that don't necessarily match demand peaks. Today's power infrastructure involves unpredictability in both supply and demand that is extremely difficult to manage. The choice comes down to two options: over-generate so as to not undersupply, or find ways to better match up supply and demand.

"To balance the grid and keep it in a stable condition, you're going to need energy storage," said Doug Staker, VP of business development for Demand Energy. "Every customer interaction, every presentation, one question I'm getting now: what can you do to help me with storage?" He said there's a "huge lack of information and education" about whether energy storage is ready and in what form (e.g. which technology to use, and whether it's centralized vs. distributed) "People really want to understand how to integrate energy storage into a variety of applications."

As more renewable energy comes into the power mix, "high-response energy storage seems to be the way," added Chris Wheaton, CFO of Energ2. "We think storage is an equivalent leg of the chair" alongside solar and wind energy generation.

"In general energy storage is a good thing — except that it is not cost-effective for bulk energy storage," counters Mahesh Morjaria, VP of PV technology applications at First Solar. If the goal is to manage variable energy generation, Morjaria suggests, then the whole grid can act as energy storage, if managed properly. "When part of the resource is not available or generating, other resources are able to provide the load," Morjaria said. "That's the beauty of it, in a more cost-effective manner." Storage too can provide grid flexibility, agreed Morjaria, but it's simply not yet cost-effective enough.

What's It For?

Discussing large-scale energy storage depends on what problems are being solved. "People forget what energy storage is: an enabler," explained Erick Petersen, VP of marketing at Demand Energy. It's not that grid-scale energy storage *can't* be deployed — it's a question of what do you want do with it, whether it's achieve true grid stability, or flatten loads to reduce peak congestion, or provide ancillary services. "The benefits stack up the highest as you move the edge of the grid," he said. "People get lost in the debate whether it should be grid-scale, which battery is right — the answer is, 'All of it,' depending on the problem you're trying to solve."

Reliability and Flexibility

Germany is widely accepted as having a much more robust incorporation and management of renewable energy generation. But even there, many believe the nation's energy overhaul means storage is a matter of not if but when. Wheaton thinks "the jury's still out whether Germany will have an energy storage program." Rick Luebbe, CEO of Energy2, points to a Sandia Labs calculation that problems start emerging at a 20 percent renewables mix at which point storage has to enter the discussion.

Germany has been able to accommodate roughly 22 percent of a renewables mix, mostly variable wind and solar — and they're doing it by leveraging flexibility in their grid "without going out and acquiring a whole bunch of storage," Morjaria points out. Similarly, California's 33 percent renewables target won't rely on building massive amounts of bulk energy storage. In both cases, "they're figuring out other ways to achieve grid flexibility," he said.

In California the difference between trough and peak load on a summer day can be 20 gigawatts, Staker pointed out. "People talk about the [grid] having flexibility and capability to absorb excess generation — and that's true," he said. "But more system saturation becomes more problematic," once you have to start doing things like firming up wind power with gas peakers that by definition want to run in a steady-state condition and not vary up and down to plug intermittent gaps.

Demand Response

"Demand response has been the cure-all for all kinds of system challenges," Staker said. He recalled an effort from Baltimore Gas & Electric with a demand/response plan to reimburse customers for turning off their air conditioners for a few hours during critical peak events. But the system was one-way and radio-based, and closed-loop — no way to really know who responded. So an urban secret spread: wrap your AC in tinfoil to block the signals, and cash in the reimbursement. That, he said, illustrates a problem with demand/response: "at the end of the day, customers can just opt out."

If response time is the target, hydro and possibly compressed air make sense, balancing on a 24-hour cycle, says Luebbe. But either of those options are selective based on geography. For shorter-timeframe needs, electrochemical storage comes into play, with multiple technologies to choose from (lead/acid, lithium-ion, flow, molten, ultracapacitors, hybrid configurations). For balancing solar power into a facility or a grid, lead-acid batteries "will probably be just fine," he said, while flow and molten batteries will emerge at point-of-use to balance intermittent power from a local grid (e.g. cell-phone towers).

Still, Morjaria thinks the costs for energy storage still aren't low enough to make it feasible for this time-shifting. Even if there's a significant difference in the cost of every kilowatt-hour that can be fed into and pulled out of the grid, adding costs associated with energy storage eliminates those potential gains. "In California they're talking about PPAs on the order of $85/MWh [$0.08/kWh]. That's what they expect from solar energy," he points out. (Note that a recent deal in New Mexico was for less than six cents/kWh, and ironically for a First Solar project.) Storing energy and pumping it out adds to that cost — Morjaria ballparks it at $0.20/kWh — which quickly snuffs out any price arbitrage.

Frequency Regulation

Morjaria did acknowledge one area where energy storage is indeed viable: frequency regulation. Constantly adjusting power input to offset increased/decreased demand and keep frequency constant, responding very fast with charging and deploying energy in very short cycles — "that's where energy storage has an interesting role to play," Morjaria said. A123 and Beacon Power have explored that in NY ISO and other places, FERC has tweaked regulation to support it, and "it seems to be making some sense," Morjaria noted. But that isn't necessarily a practice that depends on variable generation from renewables.

Frequency response can stretch out some power output at the expense of some quality, but power coming from renewable sources "is simply not high enough for most independent power producers and transmission to handle," said Chris Wheaton, CFO of Energ2.

What It Costs

The big question in energy storage, Wheaton says, boils down simply: what does it cost to build more generation (to oversupply), vs. how to store and manage energy? Today it's more "economically rational" to build more generation, whether it's solar or wind or even coal, he noted. As energy storage technology costs come down — and as there is better understanding and calculation of externalized costs, such as societal impacts — "we will see those lines cross, and more utilities will go to energy storage as a more economical means to serve the grid."

Fundamentally, economics determines the decision of over-generation vs. energy storage; right now "either energy storage is not cheaper, or the payback is not enough to shift over," noted Luebbe. As the cost (dollars per kilowatt-hour) come down and energy storage costs intersect with those in over-generation, "then everyone will do it because it's economically the logical thing to do."

Part of that economic determination, Luebbe says, has to define, manage and regulate the externality of emissions. That will play out differently in different countries and economies, he noted — how will many countries hit the Kyoto Protocol targets without big changes to grid infrastructures, and how is oxygen interpreted as contributing to emissions calculations. Even the presence of some pilot stage energy storage projects "tells me we're pretty close" to that cost intersection, Luebbe said. "



Source: Renewableenergyworld.com








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